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About Shabbir
By:*Dr. Shabbir, Florida
Date: Wednesday, 28 November 2012, 4:45 pm
In Response To: Re: About Allama Parwez (Abdul Samad (Kerala))

Dear Abdul Samad Saheb, Wa alaikum Assalam!

Let me comment briefly and honestly on your kind comments. AS will by you, SA will be me :-)

AS: I really appreciate you for asking such a humble question to tell you your "great blunders".

SA: Dear Sir! I think it was a mandatory question that I keep asking my family and friends. Quite frequently, we are unaware of our strengths and flaws. I consider anyone apprising me as my benefactor. Hence, I will remain grateful to you.

AS: I will point out just one mistake in your approach (I do not want to use provocative word like "great blunder"). You made a big mistake is writing a book with provocative title like "Criminals in Islam" showing hatred towards past scholars while Quran request you to invite people towards Islam with wisdom, kind words and beautiful preaching (16:125). Using provocative titles and words (including purposefully spreading a term 'Mullas' to express contempt) has no place in Islam even if they deserve the same. We shall only let people realize how their view contradicted the teachings of the Quran. Also we must bear in mind that, many of the past scholars were actually had no personal intention to mislead people - they were actually misled instead (they sincerely considered their beliefs as true). One of the major historians of the 10th century CE Al-Tabari states;

"Let him who examines this book of mine know that I have relied, as regards everything I mention therein which I stipulate to be described by me, solely upon what has been transmitted to me by way of reports which I cite therein and traditions which I ascribe to their narrators, to the exclusion of what may be apprehended by rational argument or deduced by the human mind, except in very few cases. This is because knowledge of the reports of men of the past and of contemporaneous views of men of the present do not reach the one who has not witnessed them nor lived in their times except through the accounts of reporters and the transmission of transmitters, to the exclusion of rational deduction and mental inference. Hence, if I mention in this book a report about some men of the past, which the reader of listener finds objectionable or worthy of censure because he can see no aspect of truth nor any factual substance therein, let him know that this is not to be attributed to us but to those who transmitted it to us and we have merely passed this on as it has been passed on to us"

SA: Honest criticism does become bitter. If you study the "Imams" in depth, you will agree with using similar words since they damaged Muslims and Islam beyond imagination. Yes, they and the Hadithi Mullahs are Criminals of Islam. I say this for no personal reasons since I never met with the 'fathers' :-) In personal discourse, kindly see my example in my condolences about Br Hamdani in a thread above.

2:42 Do not confound the truth with falsehood, nor conceal the truth while you are well aware of it. [2:159, 3:71]

33:70 O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! Be mindful of God and speak words straight to the point.

33:71 He will adjust your works for you, and protect you from trailing behind in humanity. Surely, one who obeys God and His Messenger has gained a signal victory. [4:31, 42:37, 53:32]

Please read Tabari's confession again. By this statement, he kills his own work; 30 volumes on tafsir and 13 volumes on history.

AS: Quranic view of the people of the past is just "they have what they earned and you will have what you earn". People like Allama Iqbal and Allama Parwez never used any provocative words for past scholars. As for Parwez, I remember reading, when he had a serious objection to the interpretation of a verse in Quran by some past mufassereens, he only said "they have translated that verse in a different way and "thus created a difficulty for themselves”!.

SA: I am aware of too many examples to mention from Allama Iqbal and Allama Parwez using very harsh words against those who hurt Islam, or sometimes, even those who opposed their views.

Does not the Qur'an use deaf, dumb and blind, worst of creation, apes and swine, donkeys etc for certain categories of people?

AS: Anyhow, my intention is not to cause you any difficulty. If moderators find this post objectionable, there is no need to publish.

SA: Respected brother! The moderators did well. You become my benefactor.

Another factor is important to enunciate here.

Iqbal said, "NAWA RA TALKH TER MI ZAN CHOO ZAUQ-E NAGHMA KUMYAABI" (Make your voice bitter and tough when the taste for soft speech has declined).

Once again, I sincerely thank you for your graciousness.

Messages In This Thread

Allama Iqbal's blunders: Two
*Dr. Shabbir, Florida -- Monday, 26 November 2012, 12:22 pm
Re: Allama Iqbal's blunders:
Nissar Ahmad Khan J&K -- Monday, 26 November 2012, 12:44 pm
Allama Iqbal? ... MARG-E YAZEED
*Dr. Shabbir, Florida -- Monday, 26 November 2012, 3:41 pm
Re: Allama Iqbal? ... MARG-E YAZEED
Ehsan, Peoria, IL -- Tuesday, 27 November 2012, 7:48 am
About Allama Parwez
*Dr. Shabbir, Florida -- Tuesday, 27 November 2012, 2:14 pm
Re: About Allama Parwez
Abdul Samad (Kerala) -- Wednesday, 28 November 2012, 9:25 am
About Shabbir
*Dr. Shabbir, Florida -- Wednesday, 28 November 2012, 4:45 pm
Re: About Allama Parwez
Hafeez ur Rehman -- Monday, 3 December 2012, 3:03 pm
Re: Allama Iqbal? ... MARG-E YAZEED
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 27 November 2012, 2:12 pm
Re: Allama Iqbal? ... MARG-E YAZEED
Mohammad Yameen,India -- Saturday, 1 December 2012, 7:13 am
Re: Allama Iqbal? ... MARG-E YAZEED
Azam Khan Lahore -- Sunday, 2 December 2012, 2:30 am
Re: Allama Iqbal? ... MARG-E YAZEED
Hafeez ur Rehman -- Monday, 3 December 2012, 2:40 pm
haqiqat karbala
Hafeez ur Rehman -- Monday, 3 December 2012, 2:57 pm
Re: Allama Iqbal's blunders:
Mohammad Yameen,India -- Tuesday, 27 November 2012, 5:13 am
Re: Allama Iqbal's blunders:
Nissar Ahmad Khan J&K -- Tuesday, 27 November 2012, 12:25 pm
Re: Allama Iqbal's blunders:
Mohammad Yameen,India -- Tuesday, 27 November 2012, 1:47 pm
Re: Allama Iqbal's blunders:
Nissar Ahmad Khan J&K -- Friday, 30 November 2012, 2:28 pm